Invitation to discuss Luke 22.54-62

Then they seized him and led him away, bringing him into the High Priest’s house.

Peter followed at a distance; and when they had kindled a fire in the courtyard and sat down around it, Peter sat among them.

Then a maid, seeing him as he sat in the light, gazed at him and said, “This man also was with him.”

But he denied it, saying, “Woman, I do not know him.”

And a little later someone else saw him, and said, “You also are one of them.”

But Peter said, “Man, I am not.”

And after an interval of about an hour, still another insisted, saying, “Certainly this man also was among them, for he is a Galilean.”

But Peter said, “Man, I do not know what you are saying.”

And immediately, while he was still speaking, the cock crowed. And the Lord turned and looked at Peter.

And Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how he had said, “Before the cock crows today, you will deny me three times.” And he went out and wept bitterly.

4 responses

  1. … but if he would have admitted to be one of them, we might never have learned the lesson, and christianity might have died together with Jezus and Peter. Neither would Peter have learned the lesson – he was not very much in touch with himself.

    1. Well, it was pretty gutsy of Peter to be there at all.

      Someone else could have taken charge of the church; in fact Jesus’ brother James was recognized as head of the Jerusalem church, which was the movement’s world headquarters until they fled the Roman attack ~CE 70. So “died together with Jesus & Peter”? — I’d say no. If God wanted that message out there, it was going to happen.

      But for Peter to ‘learn the lesson’; there’s an interesting question: What lesson was that?

      That Peter’s ideal self-image, what he thought he should do and would do in the crunch, wasn’t at all like what he did? That’s an important lesson for anybody — and it fits nicely into Jesus’ teaching about not judging… But also, what Peter did was what God wanted here, whereas ideal behavior wouldn’t have taught us ‘the lesson’.

      Which is to say, that God doesn’t want ‘ideal’ behavior, but ‘our’ behavior. (It doesn’t necessarily need to be as bad as it sometimes gets…)

      Another lesson was nudging at me, & now I’m needing to fish for it: Peter starts off thinking that what will be asked of him will be courageous violence. He tries that, and Jesus tells him, no. Now he’s employing cunning… again, courageously so. & realizes that this isn’t what he’s supposed to be doing either. He’s supposed to be telling the truth even if it kills him; and he isn’t ready for that. Probably he’s not even called to do that, not this night– but Church legend has it that this is the way he does, eventually, meet his death.

  2. I seem to be more or less on the same wavelength. Thought about James too, when i wrote my first comment, but not knowing you enough, just kept my mouth shut about it.

    “Which is to say, that God doesn’t want ‘ideal’ behavior, but ‘our’ behavior. (It doesn’t necessarily need to be as bad as it sometimes gets…)” this is also something i have thought of repeatedly. He wants us to experience Universe and Force(s) our way.
    Universe and Force being the world of experience. The other side of God, the emptiness, also needs being experienced, our way, and not the way of any lama or Sadhu, ..or meister Eckhart,

    The last paragraph of your comment is interesting to say the least. And in consequence, Why did Jezus surround himself with these macho heroes as well as prostitutes, tax bailiffs and so on? Because these people didn’t wear a mask most of the time and would accept truth faster than those having to unlearn there ‘good’ behaviour?

    Great talking to you. The bible doesn’t have to be oldfashioned or fundamentalist. This way leads to progress.

  3. Good having you around, too! “It’s always a pleasure to meet a live one!” as another friend put it.

    Did Jesus ‘surround himself with’ anybody? — or simply accept those who insisted? (Judas, for example?)

    Something in what you say, about people who aren’t too self-identified as ‘the Good people!’

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